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Huge games

Postby ParadoxGames » Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:05 am

I'm approaching the halfway point in my text adventure, having resumed after taking August off (it's my crazy month). I noticed that the file size is 236.6k so far! My game is all text except for one small jpg and no sound. Is it unusual to have a game of this size, or are they not so uncommon?
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Re: Huge games

Postby rotter » Fri Sep 02, 2016 7:40 pm

I've not got a lot of experience with the size of V5 games. My current game is a reasonable sized effort (47 locations, 780 objects) and is running at 573Kb.
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Re: Huge games

Postby saabie » Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:29 am

I did a quick search of my hard disk for *.taf files and found the following:
56% are under 100kB
27% are 100kB - 200kB
15% are 200Kb to 700kB
2% are over 1MB
The largest .taf file I could find is 4MB
The biggest .blorb I could find with lots of pictures and sounds is 190MB !
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Re: Huge games

Postby Peter Pears » Sat Sep 03, 2016 11:43 am

The biggest .blorb I could find with lots of pictures and sounds is 190MB !


Wow. Could you tell me which game that is, please? I don't seem to have it in my collection, and that is something I can't allow. :)

I do have a "SuperPAC.blorb" that goes for 186Mb, as well as a "WorkingMan-v1.01.blorb" that's at 209Mb.

EDIT - I have five .taf games over 4mb (the 4mb one bring "Birthday.taf"). "Egg_Hunt.taf" is 7.22mb, "chasing.taf" is 7.41mb, "BANDERA.taf" is 7.87mb, "Devil_Child.taf" is 13.4mb and "Find Andy 1.taf" is 26.2mb. I'm sure these use sounds or graphics. One or two might also be AIF. Have to check sometime.
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Re: Huge games

Postby ParadoxGames » Sat Sep 03, 2016 1:08 pm

this demographics of games is interesting,something I never thought about when posting this thread. I'm really into stats. I wonder the breakup when divided into graphic adventures and purely/mostly text adventures.

My work is divided between plotting the story and enriching the world (making the characters more responsive to a variety of commands, or finding places to put hints.)
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Re: Huge games

Postby David Whyld » Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:07 pm

I used to keep a list on my website of the biggest games based purely on text size and not including graphics or sound (because anyone can write a 2kb game then stick 300mb of sound files in it and say "hey, my game's bigger than yours!"). My website's been down for years now but I still have most of the old files and the biggest 10 ADRIFT games, as of 2007, were:

1. 530 Consequences by David Whyld
2. 525 Sophie's Adventure by David Whyld
3. 377 The PK Girl by Hanadorobou
4. 296 Options by David Whyld
5. 241 City In Fear by David Whyld
6. 231 Private Eye by David Whyld
7. 215 British Fox And The Celebrity Abductions by Lucilla Frost
8. 213 The Warlord, The Princess & The Bulldog by David Whyld
9. 196 The Reluctant Vampire by David Whyld
10. 165 O.N.N.A.F.A. by David Whyld

Yeah, I tended to, um, write kinda big games...

The 10 biggest that I didn't write were:

1. 377 The PK Girl by Hanadorobou
2. 215 British Fox And The Celebrity Abductions by Lucilla Frost
3. 160 Escape Pod [expanded version] by Love Letters To Love
4. 140 House by Matthew Wiltshire
5. 131 Provenance by Corey Arnett
6. 126 Turnberry Manor by DeLaFlunk
7. 124 Mount Voluptuous by Christopher Cole
8. 123 Scream For Me by BBen
9. 122 The Potter & The Mouldby Robert Street
10. 105 Unauthorised Termination by Richard Otter

The lists are nine years out of date so it's a fair bet there have been a few additions since then. Lazzah's games tend to be pretty damn long.

The games in question are all written with v4 of ADRIFT and I'm not 100% sure how that compares to v5 in terms of size.
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Re: Huge games

Postby ParadoxGames » Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:42 pm

I find this list fascinating. I'd like to see a more modern list.
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Re: Huge games

Postby rotter » Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:49 pm

My site has a list of Adrift games that is pretty much up-to-date and includes file size, although not sure how accurate that is. It is sortable by any of the column titles.

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Re: Huge games

Postby ParadoxGames » Sat Sep 03, 2016 11:28 pm

what a site!
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Re: Huge games

Postby saabie » Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:04 am

Peter Pears wrote:Wow. Could you tell me which game that is, please? I don't seem to have it in my collection, and that is something I can't allow. :)
I do have a "SuperPAC.blorb" that goes for 186Mb, as well as a "WorkingMan-v1.01.blorb" that's at 209Mb.
It is SuperPAC, we probably just have different versions.
Mine is 195,194,496 bytes and is dated 26-Jun-2014
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Re: Huge games

Postby Peter Pears » Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:08 am

It is SuperPAC, we probably just have different versions.
Mine is 195,194,496 bytes and is dated 26-Jun-2014


Ah, mine's at that size too. But windows reports it as being 186mb. Anyway. :) Bit of a relief!
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Re: Huge games

Postby Campbell » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:02 pm

ADRIFT 5 games are bigger than ADRIFT 4 games, for 2 reasons. I started writing ADRIFT 4 a long time ago, and hard drives were much smaller with space at a premium, so I made more of an effort to make the files concise, storing just the data. These were then compressed.

ADRIFT 5 games are stored in XML, which has a lot of redundant information, storing information about the structure of the data alongside the data itself, and then compressed. On top of this, ADRIFT 5 is a much bigger system and has to store a lot more information than ADRIFT 4 ever did.
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Re: Huge games

Postby ParadoxGames » Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:59 pm

thanks for the info!
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Re: Huge games

Postby David Whyld » Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:56 pm

For fun, I decided I'd convert some of my old V4 games to V5 and see how much bigger the file sizes became.

Sophie's Adventure - v4: 525; v5: 696
City in Fear - v4: 242; v5: 318
A Spot of Bother - v4: 110; v5: 163
Cowboy Blues - v4: 109; v5: 154
Regrets - v4: 10; v5: 30

The first four games all became between 31% and 48% larger while the fifth increased by 200%. The fifth game is much smaller than the others and I'm guessing most of that extra 200% file size it gained is simply extra base files in v5 that v4 didn't have. So by the look of things, v5 games are on average roughly 40% larger than v4 games.
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Re: Huge games

Postby Campbell » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:09 am

Yeah, a large portion of that will be the library, which gets added to the game, so this will be more noticeable in smaller games.
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